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Hardcore, casual or just a boxing fan: Where do we fit on this invisible spectrum of Boxing fan-ness?

By Rocco

The London lyricist is back and hard-hitting as ever with this debut article

As the title suggests, this is more of a pondering question rather than an opinion piece. Rather, like someone who announces their sexual orientation and then seeks acceptance or approval from others, I’m happy with what/who I am and to what extent I am interested in boxing. But I find it fascinating/annoying how the so called –and self-appointed- ‘Hardcore’ fans of the sport seek to put down or insult someone who is perhaps slightly less interested or less invested in the sport of boxing.

I’ve decided to class myself as a ‘Hardcore Casual’ as I find the whole thing rather amusing. So firstly, let me lay down my credentials as a boxing fan:

  • I’m 40 years old
  • I’ve been watching fights for over 30 years

My earliest recollection of watching a fight was seeing Mike Tyson win the heavyweight championship from Trevor Berbick in 1986, although I can’t recall whether I had taped it through the night or just watched the replay the next morning on ITV. I recall watching most Tyson fights like this. I remember watching Frank Bruno’s fights on Sportsnight on a Wednesday night, although I’m sure I used to listened to commentary on the radio of these fights. Another early memory is of watching a preview show (and then the fight) of the 1987 Hagler vs. Leonard superbout. My interest waned somewhat between the mid 1990s until perhaps 2003/4 -although I do recall still watching fights- and I was 16+ then, so probably worrying more about getting my dick wet during those years. I seem to recall sitting eating fish and chips with my good mate who was enthusing about one of the Morales/Barrera fights that got me back into watching it more. He buys Boxing News every week and would often tell me all about what he’d read during our nightly chats at work. Since then I jumped aboard the Ricky Hatton train and subsequently Manny Pacquiao during that time when I’d watch anything whether it was Friday Fight Night on SKY or some random bout on Eurosport. Again my interest has waned since 2015 but that is worthy of another article I think.

Casuals: Love them or hate them they’re hear to stay

So now I’ve laid out my boxing history this brings me to the question in mind. With the introduction of the internet and subsequently social media this has given fans of the sport of boxing a chance to discuss the sport with each other. Now bear in mind that boxing is not as popular as football or many other sports (just look at the coverage it gets in a newspaper). Very rarely do we see boxing on the back page unless it’s a big fight involving one of the few crossover stars and most fights featuring a Brit gets a bit piece written on it about six-eight pages inside and usually on the same page as little snippets about fishing, speedway etc.

When wanting to find out daily information I began to look online (notably Boxingscene) for  boxing news. It was there that I first encountered forums – a virtual room where you could post your opinion or enter a discussion with others. I rarely posted anything but from what I saw it was a case of someone posting an opinion on who would win a potential fight -possibly based on like or dislike for one of the boxers- only for them to be belittled and put down by someone who thought he knew more statistics about the boxers. In recent years I have joined Twitter. Initially this was as a tool to gather immediate information about things or people that interest me, with boxing being one of those. I follow a few selected boxers, some news sites and journalists, but mostly boxing fans. It’s these people who I notice class themselves as Hardcore fans, all vying for their position on this invisible spectrum of being a boxing fan. “I was aware of Golovkin in 2006″… “Yeah well I saw his first amateur fight on a stream so I’m a bigger fan than you”. I am shaking my head at this point.

WHO GIVES A FUCK what obscure fights you’ve watched or what meaningless statistics you know…

But to these people it does matter. It enables them to feel superior to what they class as a ‘Casual’ fan. I’d guess your typical Casual fan is a bloke, most likely a football fan, who watches Sky Sports News and who believes and gets taken in by the hype spouted by the Sky team and most notably promoter Eddie Hearn. You’ve got to remember that it is their job to get people to watch and ultimately buy Pay-Per-Views or attend a show. This leads me to another point: I’ve never actually been to a boxing show nor do I have any intention of going to one, unless a loved one or someone I knew was actually fighting. See, I am of the opinion that the best view of  a boxing match is in your front room, on your HD TV with close ups and slow motion replays allowing you to see exactly what is happening, as opposed to being 200 yards away, behind some drunk bloke who keeps jumping up every time a punch is thrown. There are probably housewives in Leeds that have been to 10 times more boxing shows than me but does that mean that they are a bigger boxing fan than me? Who cares?! I certainly don’t. To me she’s a boxing fan. Whether she’s a fan of just one fighter or she watches streams of Indonesian flyweights, she’s still a fan and still entitled to an opinion. So if she wants to tweet saying she WANTS Kal Yafai to win his world title fight or, in her opinion, he WILL win the fight then so what? That’s her opinion. See, I believe that no one’s opinion is WRONG! You can have an opinion on anything without knowing anything about the subject in question.

Your opinion should be formed based on what you know about the subject and of course opinions can always change. So, if in someone’s opinion for instance they think Callum Smith beats every other super-middleweight out there then who are you to tell them that they are wrong? It’s just their opinion. But back to the original question – I’m quite happy just being a boxing fan. I DON’T go to shows. I DON’T watch random Asian strawweights via a stream. I DON’T remember or care who won what fight between Ali/Frazier/Foreman. And I don’t know what Takashi Miura’s inside leg measurement is nor do I know the combined win/loss record of Diego Chaves first 10 amateur opponents for fuck sake! In the same way I don’t Lord it over people because I’ve been watching boxing for over 30 years and I don’t expect some little twenty-something troll to me or call me a Casual because he doesn’t agree with my opinion, just because he’s been wanking over a Bob Mee book full of statistics.

Remember, no one starts off as an expert in anything. So all these Hardcores would’ve one day been knowledge-less Casuals. The funny thing is is that your typical Casual fan who tweets Eddie Hearn some gushing praise, probably couldn’t care less about being branded a Casual. The ‘C’ word has become the standard insult by these ‘superfans’ all vying for acceptance by each other and the need to feel like one of the Hardcore mob. Remember, there’s always someone (probably many people) out there that know more than you.

Thanks for reading and if you got to the end then you probably are a HARDCORE fan!

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Both hardcores and casuals alike will enjoy this piece by Chris O’Neill on Russian destroyer Artur Beterviev.

Photo Credit: The Classifieds Plus


Artur Beterbiev’s rise continues in Boxing’s light-heavyweight division

By Chris O’Neill

Light-heavyweight contender Artur Beterbiev returned to action on Friday night (23 December), with an emphatic first round stoppage win over the brave but ultimately over matched Paraguayan Isidro Ranoni Prieto.

After an electrifying start to his career in the professional ranks, where he recorded impressive stoppage wins over former IBF light-heavyweight champion Travoris Cloud and one-time WBA champion Gabriel Campillo, momentum had slowed somewhat for former World Amateur boxing champion Beterbiev in 2016. With the light-heavyweight division attracting considerable attention in recent months, Beterbiev provided a timely reminder of his place in what is quickly becoming one of the busiest and most competitive weight divisions in the sport.

Beterbiev has only been taken past the fourth round once, and things looked ominous for Prieto right from the opening bell. A short right hand from the Russian dropped Prieto a mere thirty seconds into the first round. Beterbiev continued to walk Prieto down, with several more hard right hands finding the target and stiffening his opponent’s legs.

The end came with only 15 seconds of the first round remaining, with referee Michael Griffin calling a halt to proceedings after Beterbiev pinned his opponent in the corner. Unleashing a barrage of unanswered shots Beterbiev again dropped the Paraguayan to the canvas, signalling an end to the contest. Beterbiev becomes the first man to stop Prieto, who went the distance with fellow light-heavyweight contender Eleider Alvarez in 2015.

It is difficult to draw much in the way of conclusions from such a comfortable night’s work. Beterbiev has previously shown signs of a slightly stiff upper body and a lack of head movement. He also has a tendency to occasionally neglect his usually excellent footwork in favour of simply following opponents around the ring. The Russian’s handlers would have been hoping that the previously durable Prieto would provide Beterbiev with that much needed commodity for the boxing prospect, namely multiple rounds in a professional ring to allow them hone their craft further.

Nonetheless, this represents yet another impressive indicator of the Russian’s substantial power. Beterbiev’s finishing flourish was made possible by a stinging overhand right after his opponent had sought the safety of the clinch – normally a difficult place for a fighter to generate any kind of meaningful power shot.

Watch the FULL FIGHT in the box above

With Andre Ward and Sergey Kovalev eyeing up a rematch of their bout last month to establish division supremacy, and lineal champion Adonis Stevenson appearing set to face his mandatory challenger (the aforementioned Alvarez), 2017 may come too early for a title challenge for Beterbiev.

However, in an era where fellow amateur standouts Vasyl Lomachenko and Oleksandr Usyk challenged for belts within 10 professional fights, Beterbiev’s level of opposition will in all likelihood continue to be progressed quickly, as he turns 32 in January. Much has been made of a potential match-up with compatriot Sergey Kovalev (Beterbiev holds a win over Kovalev from their time in the amateurs) but a lucrative fight with fellow Quebec resident Jean Pascal appears to make sense at this stage in both men’s careers. So too does a match-up with the winner of the rumoured Chad Dawson versus Andrzej Fonfara fight next year. With thudding power in both hands and a willingness to press the action for every minute of every round, Beterbiev has a fan friendly style to match his obvious talent, and can look forward to an exciting 2017 in one of the sport’s hottest divisions.


Previewing The 6 Big Fights Of Early 2017

By Jack Price

Boxing fans worldwide have been given a fantastic Christmas present of six big fights to look forward to in the first half of 2017. Followers of the sport’s mouths will be watering at the prospect of each and every one of the five world title fights and one serious grudge match.

First up in January we’ve got a unification fight between James DeGale and Badou Jack who both put their super-middleweight titles on the line in New York, and then two weeks later British Fighter Of The Year Carl Frampton defends his WBA super-bantamweight title in a highly-anticipated rematch against Leo Santa Cruz. Two wins for DeGale and Frampton will get British boxing off to a flying start.

Next up in March we’ve got three exciting fights in the form of David Haye vs. Tony Bellew, Danny Garcia vs. Keith Thurman and the recently-announced but long-awaited Gennady Golovkin vs. Daniel Jacobs. Three more barnstormers to look forward to.

And then finally we’ve got the big one in April at Wembley. Heavyweight star Anthony Joshua defends his IBF belt against the legend that is Wladimir Klitschko, who will be fighting in England for the first time ever in his career. You won’t meet one person who isn’t excited to see what happens in this one.

In this article I’m going to give a short preview and prediction for each fight to get us set for what we should expect in each of these six world-class fights:

James DeGale vs. Badou Jack – January 14th – New York

This one gets the year started off in style. It’s a fight that gives us what boxing should be about – the two top guys in the division getting in the ring and fighting to prove that they’re the best at their weight.

For me DeGale (23-1, 14 KOs), the IBF champion, goes into this as the slight favourite. The Brit was pretty inactive in 2016, only defending his belt once, but he proved to us just how good he can be when he puts in the work. Last year (2015) DeGale scored two big wins over Lucian Bute and Andre Dirrell. Jack (20-1-2, 12 KOs) who holds the WBC title and is a member of Floyd Mayweather’s superstar Money Team has also only fought once this year. It was actually on the same show as DeGale when he drew with Bute. A draw however, probably wasn’t a fair result. Most people had the Swede up by a few rounds but the draw meant he held on to his title anyway.

Jack also has a win over the only man that has beaten DeGale – George Groves. The 33-year-old beat the Brit via split decision in September of last year. But we can’t really look too much into this as DeGale has improved massively since his close loss to Groves back in 2011.

This is set to be an intriguing match-up between two skilful boxers. It might not be the most action-packed fight but if their styles don’t clash then I think it will be a 50/50 interesting fight the whole way through. I lean towards DeGale slightly because I think the slick southpaw just has that little bit more and he is in fine form right now. If he pushes the pace and boxes with a high work rate I think we’ll see him walk away with a close decision win.

Carl Frampton vs. Leo Santa Cruz 2 – January 28th – Las Vegas

I’m sure this rematch doesn’t even need a preview or a build-up to get you hyped. The first fight between these two took place back in July and the action was incredible. The two men went toe-to-toe in a close contender for ‘Fight Of The Year.’ Carl ‘The Jackal’ Frampton (23-0, 14 KOs) shocked the world and put on a career-best performance to walk away with the WBA featherweight world title and an undefeated two-weight world champion. However, Santa Cruz (32-1-1, 18 KOs) didn’t disappoint with his efforts and still put on a performance that deserves a rematch.

The key factor to Frampton winning the first fight via majority decision, was his ability to do everything well. Santa Cruz was good, as always, when he was on the front foot trying to push the Irishman back but it was Frampton that for the majority of the fight showed variation in his work and that he can do a bit of everything. He set traps and constantly countered his arguably stronger opponent, and also managed to hold his own on the inside for the first eight or nine rounds, something that not many people would be able to do against Cruz.

Santa Cruz, a three-weight world champion himself, had his best success in the last few rounds when Frampton clearly started to tire. The 28-year-old landed some very heavy shots on his Irish opponent in the final three minutes. This is something I can think he can take confidence from going into the rematch. If he can cause Frampton to tire earlier, he may be able to start taking over in the later rounds, which I’m sure was probably the game plan going into the first fight. To do this, the Mexican will have to do a lot more work to the body and keep on the front foot trying to break Frampton down.

However, I expect this to only play into Frampton’s hands once again, which means I can only predict that we will see the same result at the end of this fight. Maybe even a wider unanimous decision for Frampton this time. It’s guaranteed to be another explosive, competitive one but when you look at it stylistically, Cruz only has one way of winning and one way of doing it whereas Frampton can go through all the gears and fight in various different styles. I expect another top-class performance from ‘The Jackal’, cementing himself in the top 10 pound-for-pound fighters in the world right now.

Tony Bellew vs. David Haye – March 4th – London

If you are a British boxing fan I’m sure you already know all about this fight. A grudge match to rival even Whyte and Chisora – Tony ‘The Bomber’ Bellew (28-2-1, 18 KOs) and David ‘The Hayemaker’ Haye (28-2, 26 KO’s) really dislike each other.

The rivalry has been going for a while but it went public when Bellew jumped out the ring and ran at David Haye after defending his WBC cruiserweight world title with a knockout over Haye’s mate BJ Flores. The Evertonian then went on to roast Haye in his post-fight interview, claiming that he is conning the public and making fun of his “Sideshow Bob” hairstyle. This got everyone talking about a match-up between the two but it still came as a shock to us all when the fight was announced out of nowhere back in November.

The fight takes place at heavyweight, which is why this preview and prediction will be kept short and sweet. Whilst the rivalry and build-up might have us all on the edge of our seat, I don’t think there’s really going to be much to talk about concerning the actual fight in the ring. At heavyweight, Haye, for me, will be simply too big, strong and explosive for Bellew who has only recently stepped up to cruiserweight from light-heavyweight.

You’ve got to respect Bellew for taking the fight and actually believing he’s going to win but in reality he only really has a punchers chance, and a small one at that. I expect the Hayemaker to control the fight from the off and knock Bellew out within four rounds.

Danny Garcia vs. Keith Thurman – March 4th – New York

Like Cruz vs. Frampton, this is another fight that you just can’t see being disappointing. You’ve got two of the most explosive young fighters in the world going head-to-head in a highly-anticipated unification fight at welterweight. Danny Garcia (33-0, 19 KOs) holds the WBC world title and Keith Thurman (27-0, 22 KOs) holds the WBA counterpart and they both hit extremely hard. That’s what makes this fight so exciting – both men pack a punch and have eye-catching styles.

Someone’s 0 has to go and I guarantee both will be desperate for it not to be them. Staying undefeated seems to be of big importance to these two which means we could see them be a little cagey and hesitant at first but once they’ve warmed into things, hopefully it will be bombs away.

Thurman goes into this one as the favourite, which is understandable considering he’s looked unstoppable in his career so far. The man nicknamed ‘One Time’ has big wins over the likes of Shawn Porter, Luis Collazo, Robert Guerrero and Diego Chaves. Only five men he’s fought have managed to go the distance with him, showing just how powerful the guy is at welterweight. Garcia will definitely be his toughest test so far but if he’s the real deal like he says he is we can expect another show-stopping performance from the Florida-native.

Garcia, however, has some big wins himself! Robert Guerrero, Paulie Malignaggi, Lamont Peterson, Lucas Matthysse & Amir Khan are all names that appear on the Philadelphian’s list of victims. However, although he’s looked incredibly explosive at times, he’s struggled to impress fans as of late. The 28-year old has been accused of cherry picking his opponents and not taking any “real” tests lately. But that doesn’t mean he isn’t a solid champion. If you look at the wins he does have, they are very impressive.

I’m actually going to go against the general consensus with this one and pick Garcia to win. The guy has impressed me immensely at times when he has been at his best and if he can turn it on for this fight I think we may see a great performance from the young man, hopefully earning back those fans that he’s lost over recent years.

I think we will see a knockout either way at one point in this fight, and I do think it will come from Garcia. I can see Thurman being busy early and becoming over-confident in the mid-stages and walking on to one of Garcia’s perfectly timed over hand rights. This may not send him over at first but it will be sure to wobble him to his boots and mess up his senses. From this point onwards I would expect a slug-fest to emerge and Garcia to start landing more and more bombs. If I had to say an exact point in the fight I would say Garcia via stoppage in rounds 8-12. Let’s hope I’m right.

Gennady Golovkin vs. Danny Jacobs – March 18th – New York

The formidable Gennady ‘GGG’ Golovkin (36-0, 3 KOs) faces, for me, his toughest test to date when he steps in the ring to face Danny ‘Miracle Man’ Jacobs (32-1, 29 KOs) on March 8th at Madison Square Gardens in New York. Three of the four respected world titles are on the line, and for most people, it’s the two best middleweights in the world meeting to prove who is No.1.

Obviously Golovkin goes into this one as a big favourite once again. But Jacobs does pose a threat. The 29-year-old American has been in fine form since he remarkably overcame life-threatening cancer and returned to the ring in 2012. He hits very hard, stopping 29 of his 33 opponents, but can also box too. This is a necessity if you are going to beat a man like Golovkin. We saw Kell Brook out-box the Kazakhstani in the early stages back in September but he just didn’t have the power to trouble him or keep him away. Jacobs, the bigger man with a longer reach, from what we’ve seen, should have heavy enough hands to at least keep Golovkin at bay – and that’s what you need to do against him. There’s no doubt at all that GGG has the ability, ring smarts, and power to stop any man in the division if you let him get in close and on top. So for Jacobs to be successful he has to do his best to keep the beast on the outside, by landing big power shots from long range. Whether this will be enough to deter Golovkin, I do not know.

For my prediction I still have to side with Golovkin for the sheer fact that he has knocked out his last 23 opponents with ease and never really looked like being in much trouble throughout his whole career. It’s a record you just can’t argue with. You could argue that he hasn’t fought any real elite level fighters as of yet, but that’s not necessarily his fault.

I expect to see Jacobs have success early on, probably winning the majority of the rounds in the first half of the fight. I don’t think we’ll see him in complete control of the fight but I think the American will do enough to enter the second half of the fight with a lead on the scorecards. However, if Golovkin can do what he’s been used to doing, it should only be a matter of time before he catches up with him. It then depends how Jacobs reacts. Can he dig deep and mix it with Golovkin when the Kazakhstani gets going? Or will he crumble like the rest? That’s something we will just have to wait to find out on the night.

I don’t see Golovkin stopping Jacobs but I do see him doing enough in the later rounds to win the fight on the scorecards. But don’t rule Jacobs out. He may be a big underdog but I think the man stands a real chance. Just think, if he’s beaten cancer, the man can beat anything!

Anthony Joshua vs. Wladimir Klitschko – April 29th – London

And finally the big men. Probably for many, the most highly-anticipated fight of the year – Anthony Joshua (18-0, 18 KOs) defends his IBF heavyweight world title against the heavyweight legend that is Wladimir Klitschko (64-4, 53 KOs) . The vacant WBA and IBO titles are also on the line.

Once again, this is a fight that needs absolutely no introduction, for a number of reasons. We will finally find out if Anthony Joshua is really the real deal at world level, see if Klitschko, now 40-years old, has enough left to still mix it at the top, and the winner of the fight will most likely be considered the No.1 heavyweight in the world for the time being.

And because of all these questions around the fight, it’s hard to make a confident prediction. If we were talking about the Klitschko of three or four years ago then I would have no trouble picking him to win this fight. Yes Joshua has looked like an unstoppable talent in his career so far but I won’t believe the hype to he’s been in with a real world-class fighter. Klitschko is still very much a world class fighter – he hasn’t declined that much yet – but he just hasn’t seemed to have it in him in his last couple of fights. You can argue though that British heavyweight Tyson Fury just made him look old and average in his last fight with his incredibly awkward style and performance. Fury is very good at doing that to people. So if that is the case, Klitschko does stand a very good chance because Joshua is the complete opposite of Fury. He’s actually quite similar to Klitschko – stiff, upright, works behind the jab and does everything by the book. If Klitschko’s on point then this could play into his hands and it will be a winnable fight for the two-time world champ.

Joshua, the great British heavyweight hope for most people, is adored by the casual fans and many hardcore boxing fans too. He does look like a real talent, but if you know your boxing you should know not to believe anyone’s hype until they’ve faced some real tests. He may be a world champion but has he faced any world-class opponents? No. He does everything very well though and has incredible power in both hands, and should go into this fight with extreme confidence if he goes by what we’ve seen of Klitschko lately.

I can’t see this fight being a very exciting one to be honest. But it will be intriguing either way. It’s guaranteed to be a battle of the jabs early on with both men being wary and respectful of each other. I don’t know who will win this battle. It will probably be very evenly matched and dull in the first few rounds. It’s most likely going to come down to who starts taking those risks first. And once again, I’m unsure of who that will be. Both men have something very big to prove so at one point they both need to put the work in and show us what they’ve got.

Like I said, it’s very hard to make a prediction in this fight especially so early on in the build-up, but I’m going to have to go against the legend Wlad and side with AJ for this one. If I’m honest, I would love to see one last great performance from Klitschko but I think it’s more likely to be a coming-out party for Joshua, leading him onto many more great fights in his career. But I’m sure Wladimir Klitschko will be looking to tear up the script and write another chapter in his story. And the man’s a legend, so don’t rule him out.

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Guru’s 2017 Wishlist

By Tommy ‘Guru’ Allan

After a strong finish to an average 2016 there’s a lot to build on for the new year. Here are some fights that I would love to see.. Some will happen and some won’t.

Heavyweight – Tyson Fury v Anthony Joshua

A fight that is a must in the heavyweight division if Joshua can get past an aged Wladimir Klitschko. Quite simply it would be the biggest fight in the history of British boxing. Heavyweight champion Fury is the man AJ needs to face and beat to become recognised as the best Heavyweight in the world. I think if this fight does happen, it will be in 2018, not in the new year.

Light Heavyweight – Andre Ward v Sergey Kovalev II

As far as I’m concerned Kovalev won the first fight and won it well. This seems to be the popular opinion among both fans and media. A rematch is needed to clear up once and for all who the dominant fighter is in the 175lb weight class. I see the rematch going ahead in 2017.

Middleweight – Saul ‘Canelo’ Alvarez v Gennady ‘GGG’ Golovkin

There’s big money on the table for Golovkin to face Middleweight King Alvarez in September 2017 and it’s a fight the brilliant Kazakh needs to take. Golovkin who turns 35 in April lacks a standout name and a win over Canelo would give him exactly that. I see the fight being made as long as Golovkin’s team are sensible during negotiations and accept the fact Canelo is a massive A-side in the fight.

Super Featherweight – Vasyl Lomachenko v Orlando Salido II

Lomachenko might just be the best fighter in the world but he does have an “L” in what was a very close decision loss against the tough and rugged Mexican, Orlando Salido, in only his second pro fight. I see no reason why this can’t happen, especially when big names are scarce in the 130lb weight class.

Featherweight – Carl Frampton v Lee Selby

A natural UK unification fight if all goes well for both fighters in the Nevada desert at the end of January. Two proven world class fighters going head to head in a fight that would be sure to capture the publics imagination. If both win, which I think they will – The fight happens.

Super Flyweight – Roman Gonzalez v Naoya Inoue

The super fight of the little men! Many fans and experts consider Gonzalez to be the best fighter in the world pound-for-pound and that’s something nobody can really argue against. The little Nicaraguan has blazed a trail through 4 weight classes and in his last outing edged out brilliant Mexican Carlos Cuadras. Inoue is the new kid on the block and has quickly won world titles in 2 weight classes. Destruction wins over the credible Adrian Hernandez and Omar Narvaez put him firmly on the map and onto most boxing fans must watch list. Hopefully Inoue’s hand trouble is behind him.. If it is and he can stay healthy, there’s no reason this fight can’t be made.







Don’t write off Klitschko in Joshua mega-fight

By Asif ‘Doc’ Mahmood

Controversial as ever the Doc thinks it would be a mistake to write off Wlad but he also rates Joshua and labels Fury a “bottle job”

On November 2015, when the unconventional but exceptional boxing skills of Tyson Fury dethroned long time lineal and unified heavyweight champion Wladimir Klitschko, it supposedly opened up the division and made it interesting again. As a result 2016 pledged to be an exciting year for heavyweight boxing with the eagerly awaited rematch between Fury and Wladimir along with Deontay Wilder’s date with destiny against Alexander Povetkin. Sadly we got neither. The latter due to Povetkin controversial drug tests and Tyson Fury’s cowardly route to avoiding Wladimir through self-inflicted drug use and playing the victim card soon after.

The most exciting fight of the year thus far was the hate-filled war between Chisora and Whyte with the latter edging a close decision where the veteran Chisora gained a lot of respect.  I don’t think anyone would argue against seeing a rematch. However, both fighters in reality are short of world level in my opinion and Whyte will likely get stopped by a more skilful boxer.

The biggest heavyweight news of 2016 was ultimately the announcement of the rising star in world boxing, Anthony Joshua, against future hall-of-famer Wladimir Klitschko. The fight will be a sell out at Wembley stadium and likely smash UK box office records in terms of buys in addition to gate revenue.  It certainly puts into perspective Joshua’s pulling power given that the Fury vs. Wladimir rematch only sold around 11,000 before Fury bottled it.

The fight between the two former Olympic gold medallists will take place on the 29th of April when Klitschko will be 41 years old. In addition to his growing age, he will be 16th months out of the ring and 24 months since his last win (over the then undefeated Bryant Jennings). In his last victory Wladimir showed signs of ageing, with a reluctance to throw punches.

This fight has got fight fans talking which is great for the sport. There are many theories and opinions with regards to who is the favourite, how the fight will pan out, is AJ still green or is Wladimir too old now (despite being a great physical specimen)?

In this piece I will be devil’s advocate and have a look at the pros of cons of both fighters but I will be making a case why Wladimir can win this and should not be overlooked for many reasons.

One of the obvious disadvantages is the age of Klitschko and it doesn’t take a genius to know that the body declines if anything a few years before. We rarely see footballers, cricketers and rugby players in their 40s. Even golfers and snooker players decline at this stage of their careers too. So it’s not just a physical decline but a mental decline whereby the thought process and concentration levels are not as sharp.

In Klitschko’s defence about his age one can make a case he lives an athlete’s lifestyle and keeps himself in excellent shape. Over the years he has proven to be a prime example in living the life one would expect of a dominant champion, which cannot be seen in other boxers at a similar age like Tony Thompson and even those younger such as Chisora, Arreola, Sam Peter, etc. These fighters have ballooned up in weight between fights and the results has been shown in lacklustre performances. One boxer who Wladimir could be compared to is his iron chinned brother Vitali Klitschko whom at the age of 40 was still in excellent condition to defeat Chisora, Charr and stop Adamek whom at the time was top a five heavyweight based on performances.

Cringe-fest: The two fighters announce their fight after Molina gets blown away

The next obvious thing people have been tweeting about is the fact that Wladimir will have been 16 months out of the ring by the time the fight comes round and that ring rust will play a factor. In theory yes this is also true but once again Klitschko goes against the exception. Vitali was out for FOUR years before returning to crush WBC champion Sam Peter (who came off a crushing victory over Maskaev) and showed no ring rust. Bear in mind he was returning at the age of 38 and not like Floyd Mayweather who was in his early 30s each time he returned from his hiatus and dominated world class opponents. Wladimir has also been in two intense camps where he looked sharp and powerful in preparation for putting Fury on his arse, so I don’t see any problem with his conditioning.

The next thing is, which itself may not be a big factor but amplified by the previous two discussion, he is coming off a loss where he looked poor against Tyson Fury.  Now coming off a loss of that magnitude is significant but many boxers like Froch (vs. ward) have thrown themselves in at the deep end after a loss after being deemed damaged goods and recorded sensational victories (Bute).

With all this in mind there are many reasons why Wladimir can win, without pointing the finger at his opponent. Wladimir is known for his excellent jab which he has used to control fights and a lot of the previous great heavyweights prolonged their career with use of their jab. He is very good at staying out of range and utilising with what is in my opinion his biggest weapon.  Next, his power, where he has one punch knockout power in both hands as seen with Pulev and Calvin Brock as examples. His power has unlikely diminished in any way given the way he looks and no one would argue against this.

This brings me on to his speed which includes both hand and foot speed. I will be the first to admit his hand speed has shown decline especially when I observed him in the build up to the Tyson Fury fight. Yes he looked quicker in training in preparation for his rematch but that is not significant anymore. It is fair to say his jab will be quicker than the super slow motion effect shown by Joshua’s previous opponents, especially Breazeale.

I think Wladimir has great footspeed, not just for a heavyweight into his forties but for any heavyweight.

Using his last fight as a benchmark, people forget despite his miserable offensive work that day (due to Tyson Fury’s excellent feints, head movement and even superior footwork) his own foot speed was decent. He was not easy to hit or pin down even against shorter nippier opponents such as David Haye and Alexander Povetkin. Wladimir uses his foot speed for defensive rather than offensive purposes, using his right foot to back out of range after jabbing or pressing into the opponent for the effective clinch.  Yes he has been punched in the face by everyone over the last 10 years (with the exception of Mormeck) but has never really been troubled or rocked which is to his credit.

Finally, the last time a heavyweight fight had this feel to it was Klitschko vs. Haye where the latter was seen by the British public as the saviour of the heavyweight division but stank out the joint in Hamburg which didn’t help the many Brits who were already soaking in the rain.

Now let’s move on to why Wladimir can win the fight by pointing the finger in Joshua’s direction. All boxers have weaknesses and strengths but focusing on the former here is what would play to Wladimir’s advantage.

I’m not too fussed about Joshua’s lack of experience as he has destroyed whatever has been put in front of him and Tyson Fury also had a lack of quality opponents going into a fight of identical stature. Fury did however overcome adversity in knockdowns to Pajkic and Cunningham before getting off the canvas to stop them in emphatic fashion. This caused Fury to change his style to a back foot approach with effective jabbing, stinking the joint out but doing the job in hand.

There have been questions about Joshua’s chin and response to being punched hard on the face. We know about the sparring rumours which are now factual that Price dropped him hard. He was also recently dropped by a GB amateur boxer in sparring prior to the Molina fight announcement (which was the reason David Price was removed from the forefront). Like many boxers, when caught, Joshua’s legs turn very stiff and appear to be stuck in concrete. When his chin was checked by Whyte for the remainder of the round he was swinging wildly, almost causing himself to fall forward as his shoes were glued to the canvas and  he shuffled his way back to his stool after the bell rang.

Joshua is a front-foot fighter but has changed his game after the Whyte fight where he now uses his jab more and keeps his range. However coming forward or going toe-to-toe will only play into Wladimir’s hands as he pops his jab and if he has the courage will let his right hand shoot down the middle instead of having to chase his opponent in the ring. Wladimir has been in many fights where he has had to chase the opponent like Rocky Balboa chases chickens, leading to anticlimactic fights. Examples of which include: Ibragimov, Chambers, Haye and Fury.

Joshua hasn’t really faced anyone who has tried to walk him down and I doubt the cautious Klitschko will either. It will be like cat and mouse out there for the first couple of rounds which is where both fighters will try to set the theme of the fight. Wladimir will clinch and use his strength to frustrate Joshua who will struggle as the fight goes the distance in my opinion. Joshua has to try and end this fight inside six rounds is the common theme fans are echoing about this match-up. Klitschko has good stamina as seen against Jennings, Povetkin and Wach but I must admit he looked tired versus Tyson Fury and I think his age is the reason for this.

The stage is set for both fighters. In Joshua’s case, the prodigal son, a sports personality and already a boxing icon stepping up in the biggest stage in boxing in front of 80,000 proud British fans. In Wladimir’s case, a legend bidding to overcome adversity, to overcome the dimension of time, to overcome the cauldron of boos he will experience on April 29 and to overcome the so-called Hype that surrounded the David Haye fight (if not more).

As we end I’m sure people would want a prediction from me which is tough as I have openly been a Klitschko supporter over the years. I was confident over all his opponents except against Tyson Fury. I feel Joshua is an easier fight for Wladimir but at the same time Joshua is a more dangerous fight than Tyson Fury (in terms of being knocked out). I think the fight will be over inside 5 rounds and that is where I will sit on the fence……#warwlad

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Was Josh Warrington right to swap Matchroom for Queensbury?

By Yousuf Ali

It was recently announced that WBC International featherweight champion Josh Warrington will sign for Frank Warren’s Queensbury Promotions. The relationship between Josh and Matchroom Boxing seemed to be extremely beneficial in respect to both parties, with Warrington steadily moving up the WBC rankings as well as gaining great exposure; additionally Eddie Hearn was frequently selling out arenas producing a “great atmosphere”. Therefore such a decision came as a shock to the British boxing scene. However, how much will this decision affect Warrington, Matchroom and Queensbury?

There have been a number of reasons put forward by Hearn, Steve Wood and Frank Warren in regard to why Warrington decided to leave Matchroom, irrespective of them there will be undoubted disadvantages in leaving Europe’s biggest promoter. It is evident that the Matchroom and Sky brand is important in not only obtaining invaluable exposure but also in driving ticket sales, illustrated by the Leeds arena being frequently sold out. In comparison Warren has shown an inability to sell out an arena, of substantial size, since Saunders vs Eubank, there will be an inevitable drop in ticket sales with Warren promoting the show. Additionally by moving over to Boxnation, Warrington will lose the backing of Sky sports that are pivotal in the success of Hearn’s promotions, as reflected in viewing figures, purses and ticket sales.  Although some may argue that Warren’s recent move to BT Sport will provide an equal alternative to Sky sports, the lack of boxing experience from BT and no a channel like Sky sports news means that such a move is littered with risk. Therefore it is evident that there a great deal of advantages in staying with Matchroom, although it is naïve to state that it is the only option as there are some limiting factors in being promoted by Hearn.

It is clear that the opponents Warrington was facing were lacking in excitement and skill; with Joel Brunker and Patrick Hyland being obvious examples. There is a tendency for Hearn to fail in bringing over world class opponents that test his fighters before they challenge for world titles, Stephen Smith being the current apparent example.  Despite Hearn failing to bring over world class opponents that would really test Warrington and create excitement, he did offer Warrington a shot at Lee Selby. Warrington, Steve Wood and Warrington’s father ought to take a great deal of blame for turning this fight down; after calling out Selby for over a year they bottled it when Hearn offered them the fight in July, absolutely disgraceful (rant over).  Consequently sympathy ought to be given to Hearn who has offered Warrington’s team the Selby fight; perhaps this was the start of the deterioration of Hearn and Warrington’s team relationship.

On the other hand Warren has a great opportunity to build boxing in Yorkshire and use Warrington as headliner in order to build his fighters, such as Tyrone Nurse, on the undercard. It is accurate to state that Leeds may be the most likely place for Warren to finally sell a reasonable amount of tickets and coupled with the partnership with BT sport, may result in greater revenue being generated in turn leading to some big name opponents travelling to the UK to face the Leeds warrior. Warrington is also inline for a WBC final eliminator against Joseph Diaz, which would be the perfect fight to both test Warrington and move him in the right direction in terms of fulfilling his ambitions to become a world champion.  One hopes that Warren will be able to put on some big shows in Leeds, where Josh Warrington is able to fully test his abilities and perhaps even become world champion.

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Joe Smith Jr Executes Bernard Hopkins in 8

By Tommy ‘Guru’ Allan

I woke up this morning to some shocking news that former two weight champion and pound-for-pound king Bernard Hopkins had been knocked out of the ring almost unconscious by little known opponent, Joe Smith Jr.

Hopkins even at 51-years-old would still have been viewed by everyone as one of the most durable fighters in the sport so that makes the ending even more shocking.

Smith Jr who was coming off another upset win over Light Heavyweight contender Andrezj Fonfara trapped Hopkins against the ropes in the 8th round before unleashing a barrage of clean, precision, power punches – that knocked Hopkins through the ropes and sent him to hell. The ending was spectacular! If you haven’t seen it, go now.

Just when I’m writing this though I’m seeing Hopkins is saying he was pushed out of the ring by Smith Jr..

If push means almost clubbed to death then yes, Bernard – You were pushed out of the ring.

This is one thing about Hopkins that has always irked me. There’s no doubting he’ll leave the sport as a great but the mans always been a terrible loser. Roy Jones beat him because he was green, Joe Calzaghe beat him because he had a thyroid problem, Jermain Taylor never actually beat him, Pascal hit him behind the head in their draw and obviously he had the built in excuse of age against Kovalev.

I’ve never been a big Hopkins fan.. Quite frankly I never liked his style or his racist mouth. It’s safe to say I’ll be watching this “push” a few times today and over the Christmas period.

Congratulations to Joe Smith Jr – I’m looking forward to seeing more in 2017.










BySteve Wellings

A Hard Night’s Work for Joseph Parker in World Title Win

By Steven Donnell

Steven takes a look over Parker’s WBO success over Andy Ruiz Jnr on Saturday

This fight was a great change of pace for us over here in the UK (something I could definitely get used to). Up and out of bed at 9.30 AM on Saturday morning. Sober, fresh and ready to watch the highly-rated Joseph Parker take on Andy Ruiz (a man who might not look like a professional athlete but is still talented all the same) for the WBO world title that had been stripped from Tyson Fury. 

The last time I had watched Parker I wasn’t too impressed if I’m honest, but I was willing to put it down to just one of those nights that every boxer has once in a while. I was looking forward to seeing how he coped with Ruiz, and when the fight got started, his quick hands, power and movement looked as if it was going to be big a task for the American.

As Parker came out for the second round he must have been thinking the same as me, and if he was thinking like that, he wouldn’t be for long. Ruiz had been told to throw solid jabs to Parkers midriff and that is exactly what he did while easily taking the second and the third rounds and as his shots were landing you could see Parker wince. Going into the middle rounds, Parker was noticeably reluctant to engage as any time he did, Ruiz was getting the better shots in. The middle rounds are where the fight was won in my opinion.


Parker was still not engaging or allowing Ruiz to tie him up, and was using those fast hands of his to establish his jab perfectly  but Andy Ruiz was just letting the shots land before following Parker, rather than closing him off and tying him up. He needed to draw Parker out his comfort zone and into a fight, where Ruiz looked too much for the big Kiwi. You could tell Ruiz had never been 12 rounds before. He looked wary of closing Parker down, as he might gas going into the later rounds and it was this decision that I believe cost him this fight. This was a close fight and going into the 10th I had Parker up by two rounds, but in the 10th you got the feeling that the tide was starting to turn towards Andy Ruiz. Surprisingly, it was Parker who was slowing up and Ruiz was finding it easier to get in range (it even looked like he shook Parker up on the bell). I gave Ruiz rounds 10 and 11, making the last round vital, which you had to give to Parker who went back to his jab-and-run tactic to stop the rot. 

 As it went to the judges cards, I couldn’t help but think that with Parker being the local lad, he would be up by seven rounds or something crazy like that. Watching fights in the UK can do that to a person, but when the first card came in as a draw, you knew there wasn’t going to be any funny business here. The other two judges gave it to Parker 115-113 and you couldn’t really argue with any of the cards. However, I couldn’t help but think that if Ruiz just had more faith in his gas tank then there would have been a big upset in New Zealand. The middle rounds hurt Ruiz as Parker did not win those rounds, so much as Ruiz gave him them.  

So to sum it up, again Andy Ruiz was a pleasant surprise. For a guy carrying so much excess fat, he really can shift (and by the looks of it can go 12 rounds no problem), but is he world level? Well, I wouldn’t go that far just yet but he is a decent prospect. As for Joseph Parker, I was underwhelmed to say the least. He didn’t win this fight by being a better boxer, he won this fight by being a taller person.

The jury might still be out for me with Parker but I am leaning towards him being nothing more than a hype job when it comes to fighting at world level.  

 Steven Donnell @Dinobhoy86 

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BySteve Wellings

MMA Striking vs. Boxing

By Aaron Richardson

Since its inception MMA has been considered the purest form of ‘fighting’ and some throughout the world would agree.

Judo/wresting/sambo – Grappling
Karate/Mui Thai/Takewondo – Kicking (primarily)
Boxing – Punching

But boxing, or ‘striking’ as MMA fans and enthusiasts like to call it, is pivotal in an MMA fight. It helps create distance, it is used as as a set up for a takedown, or it is used just like boxing for a knockout. When there is a ‘major’ crossover it doesn’t happen often but the outcomes depend solely on the arrogance of the participants.

1. Former heavyweight champion Ray Mercer knocked out former UFC heavyweight champion Tim Sylvia in eight seconds.

2. Former UFC HW/LHW champion Randy Couture submitted former lineal middleweight champion James Toney at UFC 118.

James Toney had such an insane fall from grace. From a 2003 beating of Evander Holyfield to not being able to make money boxing, to a second shot at the limelight in the UFC (which in reality, given his known attitude, Toney was never going to become a grappling expert in three months). All-American Wrestler Randy Couture beat Toney with absolute ease using just that – his grappling. He never let Toney use his impressive hand skills.

Tim Sylvia has stated in the years since his brutal knockout loss to Mercer that his plan was to takedown and submit the veteran boxer. Holly Holm vs. Ronda Rousey was slightly different as Holm had been competing in MMA for a few years (sucsessfully). That being said, Holly Holm was a decorated boxer before she began MMA. This fight stood out as Rousey had her own striking credentials to brag about, most notably KOing Bethe Correia. And a couple of other half decent ‘strikers’. Rousey came into the fight thinking her boxing was on par with Holm’s and instead of doing what others did, which was play to their own strengths, she thought she could outbox the boxer and was outclassed in every ‘striking’ aspect possible.

To any MMA fans/purists reading this, it’s the equivalent of submitting three or four whitebelts in Judo or Jujitsu then you face a blackbelt and they wrap you up like a Xmas present and choke you out.

Boxing in MMA is taught differently in MMA Gyms

I’ve personally coached in one in my town and trained at a couple throughout the North and the lack of both knowledge and understanding of the basic fundamentals is unbelievable. Timing is slower, footwork can be an afterthought and defence is taught with kicking variations (it has to be to be fair). Boxing is still just one aspect of fighting that has diehard MMA fans chomping at the bit whenever there is someone who could become a threat to the ‘king of all disciplines’ rule.

Like Conor McGregor…..

McGregor was a standout amateur boxer as a youth and teenager who made the transition to MMA in his teens. Charismatic, cocky and talented he has undeniably taken MMA to the next level in terms of popularity and revenue. Every win he gets is a KO or a stoppage, usually from a specific combination or a precisely-timed punch. That’s all boxing because of his background. That’s not MMA Striking. Because of this fact, many MMA websites size Conor up against top boxers like Manny Pacquiao and Floyd Mayweather to try and say, “We’ve got a guy who can throw down too” and pretty much have him as a product of MMA who happens to be a fantastic boxer. In reality he is a good boxer with a lot of power AND basic footwork. Which in my opinion further illustrates the lack of boxing talent in MMA, but it wasn’t done with Holly Holm, possibly as Holm has a heavily decorated Boxing backgound. Forgetting that when Conor began, his base was boxing.

Ultimately, each side has its detractors but being a boxer I’d have to side with or very own brand of fisticuffs.


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BySteve Wellings

Does Anthony Joshua hold the credentials to become one of the greatest boxers ever?

By Shay Sillitoe

I am going to begin my first piece on the name that is upon the lips of every boxing fan and professional alike – Anthony Joshua. The man is an absolute animal, punishing every opponent that dare step in the ring with him. Boasting an impressive 18 fights, 18 wins and 18 knockouts record he is well on his way to establishing himself as one of the most feared fighters not only in Britain, but the world.

 After a comfortable and professional win over a frightened looking Eric Molina last night, promoter Eddie Hearn announced the super fight all Joshua fans are asking for – a bout with former world champion Wladimir Klitschko. I firmly believe that if Anthony Joshua can win this fight on April 29, he could beat anyone. This will certainly be his most difficult fight to date and will prove a huge test for Joshua, having never gone further than the seventh round, this will not only be a test of strength but also the stamina that Joshua has.

This is going to be a massive step up for Joshua. He has boxed fighters that haven’t really been household names but he has done it professionally and comfortably. His biggest stumbling block came against Dillian Whyte who shook Joshua in the second round with a good combination, something Joshua hadn’t experianced in his professional career. However, Joshua did knock out Whyte in the seventh round and proved once again how much of a professional he is and despite many critics and professionals saying he may not have the stamina to get to the late rounds, he did and he did it very well indeed.

Last night was a completely different fight to the bout against Whyte. Joshua was boxing a very, very negative Eric Molina. He expressed in the post-fight interview that it was difficult to fight a negative boxer as they do not create many opportunities, so you have to create them yourself. This just shows that Joshua is a very intelligent fighter, that may not have the experience of a Klitschko or Haye, but has the knowledge of what to do when coming face to face with different types of boxers. Joshua will probably find that, especially when climbing to the top, he will very rarely come across another opponent like Molina, who was almost flinching at every punch Joshua threw. But it is great experience for him and it will add to the vast fighting knowledge he already has.

So does Anthony Joshua hold the credentials to become the greatest? Could we have another Muhammad Ali amongst us? I believe we do. He is fast, he is accurate, he holds an incredibly hard punch and above all, he is very intelligent, which is an important trait in a future boxing legend.

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